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	<title>Comments on: When blockers block the blockers</title>
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	<description>greg yardley on online product management</description>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-3448</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;window being displayed over the content annoys the hell outta me&quot; positioning it may be an option now. otherwise, userstyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;window being displayed over the content annoys the hell outta me&#8221; positioning it may be an option now. otherwise, userstyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Erwin</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 09:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was overly quick to judge when I called his motivations ‘vile’.&quot;

You are overly quick to say &quot;Noscript blocks...&quot; This insinuates to me that the plugin itself blocks ghostery which is according to Giorgio&#039;s description not true.

I think you should correct and reword this.

Any web site has the right to battle browser behaviour or circumvent plugin behaviour. Just a cat-and-mouse game if you ask me. That is a complete different ballgame from on-disk editing the settings of another plug-in.

BTW I have ghostery installed and the window being displayed over the content annoys the hell outta me. I never bothered though to find out if I can disable it.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was overly quick to judge when I called his motivations ‘vile’.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are overly quick to say &#8220;Noscript blocks&#8230;&#8221; This insinuates to me that the plugin itself blocks ghostery which is according to Giorgio&#8217;s description not true.</p>
<p>I think you should correct and reword this.</p>
<p>Any web site has the right to battle browser behaviour or circumvent plugin behaviour. Just a cat-and-mouse game if you ask me. That is a complete different ballgame from on-disk editing the settings of another plug-in.</p>
<p>BTW I have ghostery installed and the window being displayed over the content annoys the hell outta me. I never bothered though to find out if I can disable it.  <img src='http://yardley.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2103</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giorgio -

Don&#039;t worry about the multiple posts.

Agreed on the semantic issue about &#039;blocking&#039; - it&#039;s not blocked, merely obscured (and unfortunately, there&#039;s no other way for me to find this information - the red ghost won&#039;t tell me what tools are being used.)

I do see your point about the CSS obscuring the donation button, and understand that you&#039;d prefer Ghostery notifications to be in the chrome of the browser.  And you absolutely do have the right to control your own CSS.  That said, Ghostery is an important tool I use every day, and I really dislike your interfering with it - even if it&#039;s an attempt to ensure people see your donation button.  You can take up alternate ways to display web bugs with Ghostery&#039;s creators, but I&#039;d prefer you stopped interfering with this extension.

I&#039;ll edit the post to refer people to the comments - and now your motiviations seem somewhat less than &#039;vile&#039; - but I&#039;m not taking it down.

You&#039;ll find that I support your efforts to make a buck more than most people you deal with.  Advertising&#039;s not universally evil.  I do think you&#039;ll have trouble doing so in your line of work, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giorgio -</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the multiple posts.</p>
<p>Agreed on the semantic issue about &#8216;blocking&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s not blocked, merely obscured (and unfortunately, there&#8217;s no other way for me to find this information &#8211; the red ghost won&#8217;t tell me what tools are being used.)</p>
<p>I do see your point about the CSS obscuring the donation button, and understand that you&#8217;d prefer Ghostery notifications to be in the chrome of the browser.  And you absolutely do have the right to control your own CSS.  That said, Ghostery is an important tool I use every day, and I really dislike your interfering with it &#8211; even if it&#8217;s an attempt to ensure people see your donation button.  You can take up alternate ways to display web bugs with Ghostery&#8217;s creators, but I&#8217;d prefer you stopped interfering with this extension.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll edit the post to refer people to the comments &#8211; and now your motiviations seem somewhat less than &#8216;vile&#8217; &#8211; but I&#8217;m not taking it down.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find that I support your efforts to make a buck more than most people you deal with.  Advertising&#8217;s not universally evil.  I do think you&#8217;ll have trouble doing so in your line of work, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio Maone</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio Maone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the multiple posts, but I had cookies off (CS Lite) and couldn&#039;t see my them go through. You can delete the first two (the 3rd says it all). Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the multiple posts, but I had cookies off (CS Lite) and couldn&#8217;t see my them go through. You can delete the first two (the 3rd says it all). Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio Maone</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2099</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio Maone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 09:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, the NoScript *program* NEVER blocked Ghostery: this would have been unacceptable as much as the ABP workaround.

But the CSS is in the *website*, and it doesn&#039;t prevent Ghostery from working (the status bar info is still there).

Ghostery should use a notification bar like NoScript does: trying to delivery notifications overlaying the content is never a good idea, especially if it&#039;s security or privacy related, because it&#039;s entirely in the site&#039;s rights and powers to tamper with it (hide, relocate, or even worse maliciously modifying its content to mislead users).

BTW, this was done not to hide any info from the user, but because the box covered the donation button.
Any web site can do the same, and will do it if you cover important parts of the page.

Now could we backpedal with the FUD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, the NoScript *program* NEVER blocked Ghostery: this would have been unacceptable as much as the ABP workaround.</p>
<p>But the CSS is in the *website*, and it doesn&#8217;t prevent Ghostery from working (the status bar info is still there).</p>
<p>Ghostery should use a notification bar like NoScript does: trying to delivery notifications overlaying the content is never a good idea, especially if it&#8217;s security or privacy related, because it&#8217;s entirely in the site&#8217;s rights and powers to tamper with it (hide, relocate, or even worse maliciously modifying its content to mislead users).</p>
<p>BTW, this was done not to hide any info from the user, but because the box covered the donation button.<br />
Any web site can do the same, and will do it if you cover important parts of the page.</p>
<p>Now could we backpedal with the FUD?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude: &quot;my ability to view the content in the manner of my choosing.&quot; - You know what the site looks like before it gets downloaded? Your ending comment sounds noble, but it doesn&#039;t show how NoScript&#039;s owners argument that they don&#039;t like the CSS overlay is wrong.

Just... argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude: &#8220;my ability to view the content in the manner of my choosing.&#8221; &#8211; You know what the site looks like before it gets downloaded? Your ending comment sounds noble, but it doesn&#8217;t show how NoScript&#8217;s owners argument that they don&#8217;t like the CSS overlay is wrong.</p>
<p>Just&#8230; argh.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cancel</title>
		<link>http://yardley.ca/2009/05/04/when-blockers-block-the-blockers/comment-page-1/#comment-2095</link>
		<dc:creator>David Cancel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

Thank you for the fantastic post! Great stuff on a nasty subject.

Gracias,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Thank you for the fantastic post! Great stuff on a nasty subject.</p>
<p>Gracias,<br />
David</p>
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